In the 254th episode of 40 and 20, The Watch Clicker Podcast, we discuss some of the cool new releases over the last few weeks.
Worn & Wound X Brew Collaboration
Laurent Ferrier Sport Auto 40 LE
Alpina with the Heritage Caree
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Andrew: Pit Boss Copper Series Table Top Wood Pellet Grill
Everett: Silo – Apple TV
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Episode Transcript
Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts or however you identify.
You're listening to 4020 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good
friend Everett.
Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life and other things we like.
Everett, how are you?
I'm doing great.
I've had Go Go Go Day.
So I'm feeling like a little like jittery.
Nice and wired.
Nice and wired.
But no, I'm doing well.
Nice weekend.
I went to a bachelor party this weekend, but like a grown up bachelor party.
I guess opposed to the bachelor parties I went to in my 20s and 30s.
This was a bachelor party in my 40s.
It just felt it was not tame, but it definitely feels more constrained, which was nice because
like people are a little more aware of their limits when it hurts to get out of bed anyway.
That's right.
That's right.
Which is not to say some of the people there probably not to say some of them didn't
have rough days.
But I think by and large, you just see less of the just absurd things that can happen
in that scenario.
But no, I had a really good time.
We went to a nice central Oregon and did some golf and did some day drink and hookers
and blow, just a good stuff.
And hookers and blow, of course.
I didn't feel like I needed to say that.
But no, I'm doing really well.
I needed to say it for you.
Because that's what you add to bachelor parties in your 40s.
That's what classes it up.
Okay.
That's what that's glazing it up.
Okay.
Fair enough.
No.
Other than that, doing really well.
Busy week at work.
Busy time at work.
It always feels busy at work.
It's always busy.
Otherwise, you're not getting paid.
Andrew, how are you?
I am good.
Obviously on the tail end of a weekend, I've had a weird like week and a half of like
just kind of an inconsistent work schedule and family was out of town this weekend.
And it was just it was kind of weird.
So it's been kind of like for a weekend.
Pretty chaotic.
But now I'm going to settle back into my normal week routine and have some beers with hair
and talk about watches.
Let's talk about watches.
Because that's what we do here.
It is.
That's what we do for something like 500.
How many episodes is it now?
Not 500 excuse me.
200 and 255 or 54.
55 maybe.
Yeah, or maybe 254.
But we are talking about watches because cool shit happened.
Yeah, over the last couple of weeks, there's been some excitement coming out of the not
necessarily Swiss zone.
Yeah, that's right.
Like, and to start, I think I'll just start with a watch out of a watch out of New York
times two.
Warner and Well did a collaboration with for watches.
John Furrier, one of our favorite guys in the industry did a collaboration with Warner
and Warner and one does I think a pretty good job with their collaborations.
They're always interesting.
They always incorporate color.
And they always offer just something a little different than what you'd expect from those
brands.
Houdinkey has some famous collaborations that they've done with brands.
But oftentimes it's just a variation.
It's not kind of what you'd expect them to be doing already.
It's just a dial color.
And it's a limited dial color and that's neat.
But I think Warner and Well takes it a step further oftentimes.
And hard to say who's pushing those things.
But I think that it is the Warner and Well crew that's working really hard on these things
with the owners to make something special.
I think these are no different than that.
So these are metric chronographs that they're calling the metric chrono regulator.
Slightly different dial.
There's slightly different dial layout.
This is a metric.
You can tell it's a metric, but all a little different.
So if you remember 36 millimeter square watch, they're 10, 7, 10.75 thick, 41 and a half millimeter
lug to lug.
This is an extremely wearable watch.
Full steel brace with Sapphire crystal, all the stuff.
And these are great.
We've got a red one.
We've got a blue one, sort of a powder blue.
And what are we going to call that last color?
Do they have a color for that?
I'm sure they do.
What are they calling it?
I'm going to say it's taupe.
Yeah.
Sort of a champagne.
Yeah.
Great tan thing.
Yeah.
What do you think of these, Andrew?
I'm looking for the name of the color.
I really like it though.
And like you said earlier, I like the way Warner and wound works color into their collaborative
watches.
And I love the metric.
And this feels just like a more fun version of the metric.
It has all of the just the interesting things that you want to see in a watch that aren't
weird.
Like it's not a crystal dick.
Right.
That's interesting, like neat, but I don't care for it.
This is something I really like.
Staying true to design, but making some really notable and noteworthy changes in the name
of this effort.
So this is actually one of one's third collaboration with brew.
Moss green.
Moss green.
Okay.
I think I disagree with the assessment.
All right.
Well, Moss green sky blue ruby red.
And I like that each of these, maybe with the exception of the blue, the blue is a bit
monochromatic, but it's not monochromatic.
So you've got actually an incredible amount of color as you zoom in on this thing.
You've got a pink tipped seconds hand pink tip chronograph hands.
So there's actually a lot that you've got like some like cardinal in the minute track.
You got like three different colors of blue.
So there's a ton going on here.
But as you look at it as you step back, it is the most monochromatic of the three I'd
say.
I think it's because of how light blue that is.
I think if it were just a touch darker that the light tones and the sub dials would pop
a lot more because there's the same color variation.
It's just they're closer and toned and you know red and yellow and Moss green and blue.
And with the Moss green, you get this orange.
One of the pushers is orange.
The other is like a matte black.
You get this like navy accent color.
You get a navy and an orange accent color.
I think I push your screen.
Oh, is it?
I think so.
Well, I know in the ruby red, the accent is green like sort of an emerald.
So both the minute track.
Anyway, you're going to have to look at these things.
We're not going to do them justice by describing them.
It's a very fairer-esque color play.
I think that's right.
So you're going to need to take a look at it.
And they're really terrific.
Yeah.
They're really terrific.
I don't feel bad at all about saying that.
$549, only $200 per colorway.
Why is that huge?
That's a huge colab order, right?
So and it's neat that they tell us, but you have 600 of these.
My guess is that they're probably gone.
Are they?
I don't think so.
They're still on pre-order.
Are they?
Yeah.
And it looks this.
It looks to me.
No, they went live today.
Ordering open at 1 p.m. today.
And it looks to me like you can still get each of these.
So let's see.
Anyway, really neat watch.
I'm into it.
I think it's great.
And I think it's neat that if you, you know, maybe you like this watch, but have
not been a huge fan of it in different colorways or in the other dial, they're giving you options.
And these are really, really different than what you might otherwise get.
You can tell that this isn't just Jonathan that designed this.
There's more influences on it than that.
And I really think that's terrific.
Same.
Andrew, what's next?
Except for me, Fortis is doing some cool Fortas stuff.
They are attempting to get space certification on their Stratoliner watches.
And they're working in conjunction with a shoot with the Estrange Estrange Space Center
in the Arctic launching these watches out on rockets.
And these aren't rockets that are meant for human, they're not human trials.
These are all scientific space study effects of G-forces changes in temperature, radiation
exposure impacts on landing kind of rocket study.
So that's why Fortis is using this organization to test their rockets or to test their watches
and try to get this certification because the rigors that these watches are going to
experience on these types of flights far outweigh what they ever would in any kind of manned flight.
Now, 13 of them went up and they all went, came back down.
They, according to Fortis, all are still holding their chronometer timekeeping requirements,
sustained no damage and are running great such that they're going to be sold.
How cool is that?
I love that this is the testing watches are going to be sold.
I love that this is the kind of stuff that this company is doing because it's so neat
to see kind of a resurgence like that the time has began again on the space race.
You know, it was last really exciting in the 60s and then just kind of like piddled out.
And now people, private organizations, government organizations are getting back in on it.
And to see watch brand starting to jockey for position for the government contract is really neat.
Yeah, well, I'll tell you, it seems like there's some, well, in this article that you sent me
talks about it a little bit, but it seems like there's some obvious alternatives to Fortis,
Speedmaster being won, but it's a 60 year old watch.
Casio being adorned by a huge amount of astronauts in the last, what, 30 years since astronauts
like became astronauts?
Yeah, well.
Certainly since, you know, in modern astronaut days or or parlance, the G shock and a few
other Casios have been strapped to many risks in space.
And Fortis is kind of, Fortis is kind of thinking about that in what they're doing.
You know, like Casio may not work because there was this idea that you might be in space for not
days or weeks, but years, right? So having a mechanical
self-funding backup, I think it's pretty terrific.
And also, you know, reduce the cargo requirement of having batteries there.
And they cited the Apollo mission where they used a Speedmaster at a time there.
Boosters like that's very cool.
This is not as I would think of like a traditional space watch though.
They've tested chronographs and three handers and I really, really like them both.
This is not like a watch that ever been on my radar.
And it is now very much so on my radar.
I think we've talked about this watch on the show, but yeah, but talking about it doesn't mean
I'm really thinking about it.
Fortis is definitely the space company at this point.
They're pushing to be for sure.
They're the ones who are really focused on it.
And I know that they're working with a number of space agencies around the world.
It's pretty good stuff.
Here's the cool thing.
So the Strata Liner is 5,050 Swiss francs.
So 5,500 bucks.
Yeah, sure.
The ones that went to space 8,450.
So if you're willing to just like go up by about 50%, you could get true space watch.
That's surprisingly affordable for kind of the novelty of it.
I think so.
There's plenty of speedmasters that didn't go to space.
My speedmaster didn't go to space.
And well, and cost a lot more than that.
We could get your speedmaster to space.
Andrew, how long has it been since we've talked about a PRX on this show?
You know, I think maybe two weeks because they're maybe two weeks.
Maybe.
And the only reason I say maybe is because I don't think we've probably talked about PRX last week.
Yeah.
Well, we're going to break the streak and we're going to talk about PRX again because
TSO released another PRX.
Yeah.
And this one's different.
Finally, I believe the last time we talked about a PRX, you were a little like me.
Why isn't this wrong?
It was.
Sometimes I poo poo it.
Because it was colorways.
Yeah.
Well, it was the same color wise but in a different sense.
Anyway, long story short.
TSO's done actually something kind of different with the PRX.
And maybe a little absurd.
But I think an absurd that I like.
So they released a small digit digital format.
Oh, PRX.
This is a truly 70s watch.
Now, unlike the Pulsar style watches or some of the other watches that have filled this void,
this feels pretty wearable to me. These 70s style digital watches.
So TSO has in the past released a quartz digital that looks very similar.
Integrated bracelet, small digit.
This looks different than that one looked.
It's certainly an iteration.
But also really close, right?
Modernized, I would say, and it's a very PRX case.
This is a PRX case.
Really clean.
Really clean on the dial, on the void space on the dial.
You've got a date.
You've got multiple time settings, both 35 and 40 millimeter cases.
I think the 35 on this is probably a banger.
In gold, I think that's the first time I could do a gold watch.
A little PRX digital.
And they've got a, I don't know anything about digital movements.
These have got a Swiss made quartz caliber dgt 2040.
If you know what that is, well, I don't know.
That's cool.
I don't know what that is.
It's a Swiss digital caliber.
They're not inexpensive.
No, they're not inexpensive.
They're lined up right with the rest of the PRX line though.
Wow.
With a digital.
Anyway, you can get these from anywhere from 375 to 705 for the yellow gold PVD.
No, 450 for the yellow gold.
That's Australian dollars.
Oh, OIC.
Yeah.
OIC.
No.
Yeah.
US US 375 for steel, US dollars 450 for PVD yellow gold.
It says US 705.
Where are we looking at the same article?
Oh, I see.
No, there's a typo in the, there's a typo in the article.
Yes, you're right, Andrew.
400.
Yes.
So 375 for steel, 450 for US.
It is a typo.
We're going to write that.
We're going to write that.
Yeah.
These are cool.
I do think they're probably, for me, I'm not saying they're too expensive.
I hate it when people say, oh, that's too expensive.
I think for me, it's probably more than I want to spend on this.
I think the 450 is probably a little north of where I would want to buy.
Because this is a fun watch.
It's a fun watch.
I should also just get the $50 gold, the Casio, 135, and feel just as good about it.
Right.
This is 200 bucks.
I'm probably, oh, no.
What I will say is if they're 200 bucks.
The bracelet on this, the overall comfort, the,
it's a much nicer watch than a Casio.
And we do this thing.
It's going to be super refined too,
because it's part of the PRX line that they've been refining for
what they dropped PRX in earnest and really put some ass into it like four years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
So we've got four years of refinement in here.
You know, I've talked about this before.
People will give me shit for, I've got like a $40
phenomenal on my F91, right?
This is like, why would you put a strap that's three times as expensive as the watch
on that watch?
Because it makes it more comfortable.
That's right.
That's right.
Like, I have that strap not to pair with a watch necessarily.
I have that strap because I like the strap.
So I like the watch.
I like the strap.
I think this is maybe the same thing, right?
If you want the Casio, get the Casio, this is a much better watch.
It's going to be more pleasurable to wear because everything about it is nicer.
Objectively better.
That's right.
So there's value there.
I'm not suggesting there's not value there.
But I think you're right.
It's a little bit of a novelty with the dial.
So you have to figure out if that's worth it for you.
I bet these will come down a little bit for the used market.
I might snatch up one of these years.
Or they may even on the primary market, be available for less money.
Depending on what sales are like.
I might snatch up one of the used ones.
What's next?
Ooh, next, another brand that has kind of been
come into the surface for us.
Doxa has done a weird thing.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, they have.
And it is simultaneously very confusing.
And really cool.
The Doxa Sub 300 Beta.
But in lieu of beta, they use the German
asset letter.
So it looks like the Sub 300 B, which is how I will henceforth refer to it.
Yeah, I do think they're calling it the 300 beta though.
It is a Sub 300.
Exactly the way you think about it.
All murdered out with gold accents.
Ceramic case 18 karat gold act.
18 karat gold.
Yes.
18 karat gold bezel and crown.
I'm wondering how they slimmed it down.
I wonder if going to a ceramic case, they were able to shave some space.
Because they're at 1195 on the thickness here.
I wonder if that's maybe news of things to come with a 300 update.
Yeah, maybe.
But this is a, and the reason I say it's confusing is because Doxa does new things
with some regularity.
They'll release, you know, we just have the Clive Cussler.
They did the carbon case.
They do some limited runs, but they all kind of make sense to me in the Doxa ecosystem.
This doesn't.
This is like way out of Doxa ecosystem.
This is like fashion brand release.
But with, hey, we're also like a no bullshit watch company.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's interesting because the people, like when I see this,
it looks to me like a watch that a hype beast music performer might wear, right?
Yeah.
But it's not hypey enough for that.
It's also a little impractical with the gold.
I don't know.
I'm guessing those sell these?
I think they, yeah, they'll all sell.
I'm guessing those sell these, you know, but it's not like,
this isn't like a fuck you watch or a GFI watch.
It's something different.
Yeah.
It's a good point Andrew.
I don't know where this fits.
You know, I don't know that it does, but it also doesn't not fit.
I mean, it's, it's all Doxa.
They have the same crown or the same bezel in gravings and timer markings.
Yeah.
That you can't read because it's black on black on black.
It's interesting.
This is a cool release and it's, I think, the most expensive Doxa at,
seven thousand US dollars.
Well, yeah.
I mean, you for seven thousand bucks, you're getting actual gold,
a ceramic case.
The materials are really hard to argue with titanium case back.
And I don't know the article I wrote about this did not mention it,
but it looks to me like the dye, like the hands are perhaps enameled.
I don't want to promise that to anybody because I certainly just don't know it.
But it looks like they may be.
So you get really a lot of neat materials in a pretty interesting package.
I don't, aesthetically, I don't think I love it.
Like, do I need a murdered out watch with gold accents?
I don't think so.
But I have a hard time arguing with any of the components.
You can't.
I wonder if they're going to do like a whole beta line of like weird one-offs of luxury materials.
Only comes on rubber though.
So it's a no for me, Doug.
Yeah, maybe that's it's just too much to do all the to do ceramic and to do that
black ceramic, you know, bracelet.
Yeah, because at the point where you're doing that, you couldn't do a different
bracelet material.
It does look to me like the texture on the rubber bracelet matches the dial texture pretty closely.
I wonder how that textured rubber bracelet or rubber strap is going to
wear.
I wonder if it's going to get smooth and shiny and weird.
I don't think that'd be cool.
Maybe.
You know, sometimes rubber, like as it wears, it gets that kind of like worn down shiny look.
You know what I'm talking about.
Refriction.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think this is a cool release.
It's an interesting release and it I wonder if it's a I just wonder what's next.
Like why?
Yeah, like what push this what puts this decision.
Definitely an interesting watch.
It looks cool.
You look cool.
I wouldn't push it out bad.
That's for sure.
I'm going to talk about a watch with.
I'm going to talk about a watch that costs too much money for me to buy.
Is that okay?
Have we not been doing that?
Well, we have, but this one is I'm going to I'm going to.
You're going to go way north.
I'm going to crank it up a little bit.
Lauren Ferrier.
Maker of maker of quite fine.
Quite fine watches has released the Fairview sport auto 40.
Uh, there's a lot.
They give away a lot in the title.
What you need to know is this is a 70 style 40 millimeter sport watch.
Grade five titanium, integrated titanium bracelet, 120 meters of water resistance.
Crazy in house.
Lauren Ferrier.
Yay.
Micro rotor movement.
Micro horse man.
Bring him back.
One dial color.
They're calling it Viridian green opulent.
Um, so that grand psycho.
So this is based on a 1970s lomons portion 935.
Which I don't really sometimes I see those things and I'm like, what are we doing?
Green is green, bro.
Yeah.
This is one of those times where I'm like, okay.
All right.
Certainly we've got a livery library.
Livery.
That's one of those words I've only ever read.
And I don't think I've ever heard spoken aloud.
The livery.
Livery.
Yep.
And it costs 51,000 francs.
There's only 40 of them though.
So you're buying into an exclusive club.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, the car, the car that this is based on is completely insane.
I, I, if you were going to put a link to this thing in the show notes, go for just the Porsche
because it's nuts.
I mean, go for the watch too, but go for the Porsche.
Uh, a little thick on this 12.7 millimeters thick on this guy, which
120 meters of water resistance.
Okay.
That's 11 points, but 51,000 francs.
Can you imagine the customs like you dropped your $51,000 to get it?
And you're probably, you know, $60,000 at this point.
And then customs sends you an email.
It's like, oh yeah, by the way, you host another 10 grand to get this thing into the country.
That's right.
I would come on glued.
But so I feel like I've got to correct myself.
I said 40, um, 40 millimeter.
It's a 41 and a half millimeter watch.
Excuse me.
The 40 is the number of the car of the Le Mans car.
Uh, so this is a, it does not refer to the size of the case.
And I'm sorry about that.
Sometimes we make mistakes.
Okay.
Rarely though, uh, this thing is just beautiful.
The handset on it is, is like just perfectly compliments the markers.
And it is really long rounded tip markers with these great sword hands.
The color like matching it.
Might have to mortgage my house.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm actually struggling with the thickness on this at, at, yeah, it's too thick.
I don't, I'm not an engineer.
I'm not an engineer.
It's a statement piece.
That's by, it's, it looks, the profile of it is the same shape as that car.
No, you know what's a statement piece?
Uh, Royal Oak or a Nautilus.
And Royal, a Nautilus is like,
like, still dickenballs.
One and a half millimeters or something like that.
Like you don't need it to be thick to be a, right.
It's the, the profile is the same shape as the car.
It's not like this is a grand complication.
It's a fucking micro rotor with, yeah.
I think that's, I think it's too much for this watch.
I think it's too much.
Well, then don't buy one.
I'm not spending 51 francs on, on the, what was it?
12 seven, 12.
We're 12 seven, yeah.
I'm not spending 50,000 of my hard earned francs on a 12 seven watch.
Do you think they'd accept like ballpark francs?
You couldn't afford 50,000 of them anyway.
So maybe not.
That's a lot of hot dogs.
That's a lot of, I wonder what that would look like.
50,000 hot dogs?
Yeah.
I don't know.
But congestive heart failure?
No.
Yeah.
Joey Walnut eats that many every year.
Yeah.
Chestnut Walnut, what's his name?
The jaw.
Dude, yeah.
I like your job.
He's a nut named.
Chestnut the hell.
It's chestnut.
Yeah, it's close enough.
I don't know why that one got you.
Ah, that tickled me.
It's beautiful watch.
The colors are on a really great, it's gorgeous.
Yeah, look, this is a stunning watch.
Totally beautiful.
I do think it's too thick.
I don't think they can justify it being...
Then you know what?
12, 7.
When you and me are going to get on the phone with Lorent.
And we're going to send them straight for the next release.
Hey, Lauren, let's get this right.
Come on.
Okay, next up for me.
IWC has done a collaboration with the Black Aces,
which are a US Navy pilot, an aviation squadron.
And they've done a fully-looned dial.
And that's kind of the extent of the excitement for me.
But it's cool that IWC actually gives a shit enough
to be doing stuff like this and then release it to the public.
So it is a 41 millimeter case, 11-4 thick.
That should get you going.
Same movement as the Top Gun.
So it's the caliber 3, 2, 1, 0, 0.
I don't know much about IWC movements.
So I can't speak to that.
They use a super luma nova pigment mixed into a binder,
cast into a circular mold, and then hardened,
which I think is just kind of how all lume dials are made.
Yeah, I think that's how you have to do it.
Often, yes.
But it is cool.
6,800 bucks, which kind of tracks for buying an IWC,
especially with something like this,
where you have the Black Aces logo at the six o'clock.
It's cool.
I want one of these.
Yeah, no, I think they're terrific.
Our editor-in-chief, Will, is not...
Maybe I shouldn't put words in his mouth,
but he's not been particularly complementary of IWC.
I think that there's some fair criticisms of IWC
in terms of how interesting their watches are.
Not a company known for being out there.
With that said...
But I'm not a guy known for liking interesting things.
That's right.
They, I do think that they tend to make simple,
in particular, any of the mark watches,
or their pilot's watches,
tend to be the bee's knees in terms of what they're doing.
They do one thing really well.
That's right.
No one shits on Nomos for not being interesting enough.
Well, it says Nomos on the dial.
Nomos is 30 times more adventurous than IWC.
They just did a full-loom dial.
But that's not why you buy IWC.
And look, the ceramic cases, luminous dials,
IWC not necessarily known exclusively for its ceramic.
I think it's sort of a side effect, but that blue ceramic.
And now here this black ceramic, yeah, this is really good looking.
This is my kind of thing.
The adventures that they put the black aces patch at the six o'clock.
That's enough for me.
Yeah, I actually don't love them.
I wish they had figured out a more subtle way to celebrate the
squadron on the dial.
That to me is maybe a little heavy-handed, but
went in wrong.
That's how you use that, right?
23 hours of luminosity.
Which is, that's a lot.
Which is a lot.
I wonder what the, like when they say it's no longer in luminescent.
Yeah, I wonder what it's actually like.
When it's no longer legible, it's probably half of that.
But to be in total darkness for 12 hours, it's kind of a long time.
Andrew, do you know what the hands on this are also loomed?
They are loomed.
All loomed up.
Only 60 meters of water resistance.
Well, if you get wet when you're flying an airplane,
you've done it really bad.
Oh, that can happen, right?
Again, I don't think you're worried about your watch at that point, though.
You're worried about your underpants.
Morris made a new watch.
Come love him, even.
I'm going to talk about the new basic B-orris with a dial made from
upcycled fishing. That's my least favorite word in the current zeitgeist.
Upcycled.
Yeah.
Is this one of those things that just you've heard it so much that now it irritates you?
Or is there some practical reason for you?
No, everything's upcycled.
It's like the cool white lady thing to upcycle things now.
It's like, no, that's just like, listen, Karen, stop upcycling.
Yeah, just recycle like those of us.
Like, I didn't upcycle salsa jars as a kid.
That's just what we drank out of, because that's what we had.
Yeah.
So they've made this in collaboration with an organization called BraceNet,
which I don't know a lot about,
but they are essentially taking C-nets and turning them into things.
I think bracelets, etc.
Orest does a really good job with these one-off dials.
And I actually found myself pretty enamored by a couple of these.
Last time I was at an Orest booth, I think on paper or on the internet, as it were,
you don't really get a feel for what these are going to actually feel like when you get them
on the wrist.
I think these are better than I thought they would.
The aqueous is a really stunning watch.
I don't think I'm a huge fan of the case and the lugs and the kind of
integrated nature of it, but that's purely subjective. Objectively, this is a totally killer watch.
And I think this organization sounds like it's kind of a neat organization.
Yeah, they salvage what are called ghost nets.
And I'm sure they salvage other nets, but they specifically seek out ghost nets,
which are lost, abandoned, torn up, plastic type fishing nets that don't biodegrade,
that just tangle shit up and kill things.
So they salvage these things and try to rid the ocean of the byproduct of commercial fishing.
And a lot of times with stuff like this, you learn on the back end, well, yeah, they took
this recycled product, but then they added a bunch of like toxic fillers and binders and
adhesives that that's not the case with these.
I don't know exactly how it works, but they take these things, gently warm them up.
And then as they cool, they harden and they're able to shape it from there.
I'm wondering if they're doing them in cylinders or in big sheets.
Like if they're if they're cutting down cylinders of it to slice dials or if they're
just like individually cutting out.
And there was no indication of that in the article.
I read about these, but it's a reasonable question.
And look, these are coming with a
Celita 201. Actually, I think it's an oris.
I think it's an oris in how it's not in there.
Manufacturers, Caliburn, but it's a Celita.
It's what everyone's using.
You get the fantastic.
You get the fantastic aqueous 300 meters of water resistance.
Really phenomenal dial details everywhere.
And there are and there are 2,600 bucks.
I think this is one of those watches for the person who is priced out of Omega's.
Maybe priced out of Rolex certainly.
What's next?
I want to get the best watch you can get for just under that next level of I made it.
And I think that this is one of for a lot of folks.
This is in that range and I think it's a killer option.
Their sizes are weird choices.
They do if there's two sizes available, a 43, 5 and a 36, 5.
So it's like real small or just a little too big.
Well, I'll tell you, I thought that the 36 was going to be too small.
And then I put one on.
I think it's actually a terrific size because I think the aqueous wears a little chunky.
It is.
It's thick.
That 36 size actually worked pretty well for me.
I do think for a lot of like watch size traditionalists,
it's probably going to be too small in the context of a dive watch.
It's 12.5 thick on the 36 millimeter case.
It's only 12 thick on the 43 and a half millimeter case.
Yeah, that must be a proportional water resistant thing if I had to guess.
No, it's reversed.
Yeah, that's funny.
It's got to be thicker when it's a smaller case.
That's my guess.
Yeah, I think that the that's the same with like the SKX 013 versus the 007.
Maybe it's just because they're going to put shit somewhere.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Really cool watch.
I like these and I like these dials.
They're really pretty.
And the nice thing about it being something that's
it made the way that it is is no two dials are going to be the same.
Yeah, that's right.
So you're getting like an interesting piece of artwork in addition to a baller watch.
What's next?
With the I mean since we're talking or is.
Or has dropped a real basic upcycling watch.
And then they also said oh by the way we're going to also drop something that can be
dropped at the bottom of the ocean.
So the Ores Aquis Pro 4000 meters also totally 12.5 thick.
So I think your reverse thing is is kind of wrong here.
Not actually 12.5 thick.
Spect sheet on it is where is it?
49 and a half millimeter case 23 for thick in a 55 lug to lug titanium case in blue.
4000 meters of water resistance comes on a blue rubber strap with expanding titanium fold over.
So you're going to die class out of it using an Ores caliber 400.
120 hours of power reserve.
Yeah, yeah, that's the deal with that.
That's where all the thickness came from.
Not the water resistance.
This is a crazy chunk.
I also I think kind of more a novelty watch than anything else.
Yeah, like unless you're Arnold in which case this would appropriately wear on your arm.
Yeah, you know, I think we're in a weird we're at a weird place in watches where
you know early 2000s folks were buying 50 millimeter by 24 millimeter in victas.
And there was I think maybe a collective rejection of that within the watch community
because it's so excessive and so absurd. But what we've seen in the last handful of years,
I think is some room cut out for those absurdly big watches. Look, this thing is giant.
It is giant. I think that could wear it on necklace.
Look big.
I think the crown on this thing is like 15 millimeters.
This thing's absurd. And you know, frankly, if you've ever had one of those early 2000s
in victas on your wrist, it's probably going to wear a lot like that.
Now, most of those I don't believe were coming with anywhere near this much water resistance or
engineering, which I don't know who cares about that. Maybe no one.
No, when you when you were buying those in victas, you were getting it because the MSRP was 700.
And I got it for 250.
This thing's fun. I mean, you're getting a ton of engineering. That's why you buy this watch
because you want something. Because you're an engineer nerd. Yeah.
Just over the top over engineered. It's got some interesting case back markings that I don't know.
I don't know if they're practical or not. It looks to me like a feet to meters conversion.
Is that what that is? So 10 meters is 32 feet. Okay.
Yeah, this is terrific. Why not? It's certainly interesting. Like at the point that you need it,
you're not going to be able to read it. But yeah, nobody needs this. Nobody needs this watch.
No, no, no. I mean the the meter to foot conversion scale on the case back.
All the more reason to wear it as a necklace or as a dive weight.
And then it's 6200 bucks, which is a that's a fucking lot of money, right? But it's also in the
world with the super deep with the. Oh, what was the Omega one? No, it is the Omega super deep.
Yeah. Yeah. And then Rolex dropped one. The Pro Ploff's travel coming again. Like it's
Oris is kind of jocky in for position and that super engineered super deep dive.
Tech watch. Oh, yeah. I don't think that Oris is behind at all, not to suggest that that's
that's what you were saying. But I mean, I really do think Oris is right up there,
certainly with Omega. The deep sea. That's the Rolex. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
I think Oris is I think Oris is very much right in there. So.
It's a this look. It's a stupid watch, but it's fun.
It's certainly a stupid watch, but I kind of like that it exists. Yeah. I think that's a fair.
I think that's a fair one. I like that we're in a place where a watch company can be doing
something not not like outlandish, but that they're pushing the technological envelope
in a way that can still be marketable. Sure. What does the other sorry, just to shift gears a
little bit? What is the name of that other recycled plastic dial that they use?
You know what I'm talking about? That's the recycled BT. Oh, yeah. What do they call that?
I don't remember. All right. Well, I'm just gonna, they probably call it up cycled.
Yeah. Okay.
You know, there's only one more watch on our list. There's two. Three really. Oh, well, let me
go back. Let me go back. We talked about all of those. Oh, yeah.
Rubber. Yeah. I still on the list. Bravo or Swedish company.
And they make cycling watches, cycling themed watches. They've released the
third and final of their grand tour chronographs. Not something I'm super familiar with, although
when I say it like that, it feels like I have a ton of knowledge. So I can just, these are
watches, theming, grand tour, biking races, cycling, cycling, excuse me. So they've got the
Vuelta, Spanya, the Euro, the Italia and the Tour de France. So these have all taken
sort of aesthetic inspiration from the races that they are, they're apping.
And yeah, so they've released the third iteration, which is, excuse me, which one is this one?
I've just had it. Grand tour three. Okay. Yeah, this is it. This is the collection.
Okay. Well, but didn't they release these? Didn't they?
Anyway, so this is an automatic PVD chronograph watch with a terrific crystal.
My favorite part about these watches is the big curved crystal and a really, really interesting
dial. These are 369 chronographs, which for me, that's my favorite chronograph layout.
I think it's the easiest to read, you know, depending on where you put stuff,
I think it's the easiest to read. It makes the most sense to me. You get that open space just
aesthetically, you get that open space at the top. And these are all different from one another,
wholly different dials in a way that I find really charming in a way that I find really charming.
Yes. I so the the tour de France is a primarily white dial with the polka dots that are
famously on the spotted jersey, yellow three o'clock sub dial and a white six and nine sub dial.
The tour de Rosa, the corset de Rosa is a that's my favorite of the three of them, by the way.
It is lovely. A red dial or a white dial with a or is it silver silver? Silver one. Yeah, silver
dial with like pink, blue, purple accents. Yes. These are just lovely. The colorways are very
evocative of of like racing kits, right? Sideway kits. My the my least favorite of the three is
the love well, which is the red. Yeah. And still really freaking cool. Right. Yeah.
Same handsets on all of these. And the dials are so interesting that I think it's it's
it would be pretty easy to just sort of cruise past the handset. But Andrew, have you taken a look
at the handsets on these? They are these relatively dimensional. They're not stick hands. They're sort
of like sword hands with this really like narrow line of of loom running down the middle. And
I think these are some of my favorite hands I've ever seen on a chronograph. They compete very
little with the dial such that I didn't even notice until I had looked at these watches a handful of
times. And then the more I looked at them, he zoom in on them like fantastic, really nice polish on
them. Yeah, I think that's my favorite part of the watches besides the colors. They're really lovely.
And the the with how different the dials are, you would never attribute these to the same family.
They share case. They share everything but a dial and hand colors. So this is an
integrated integrated cam 62 hour power reserve running at 28 800 vibrations per hour. I think it's
the SW 511B from Salita, which I don't know a ton about this movement. But when you just the specs
alone on it, 62 hour power reserve, 28 and with the size that it must be to fit into this
relatively spell to watch, I think it's a pretty it must be a pretty terrific.
2600 bucks, not limited. That's right. That's right. So for under three grand, you're getting
a watch from a smaller company, a watch from a smaller company, but that is pretty well
spacked and looks to me to be pretty well put together. It's got a screw, a screwed case back.
I really love that more and more. I love that. Interesting pushers. This isn't just some basic
be push or this is an integrated pusher that's lovely, really great details on the crown.
The case back looks great. The movement looks phenomenal. See through case back looking into a
really beautiful automatic chronograph movement. There's a lot of money. 2600 bucks is a lot of
money for anything. I know we always say stuff like that, or at least I do. But this is a pretty
neat watch. I think for a movement like this, this is you're like right in the zone of some of the
most affordable quality mechanical chronographs. That course, Rosa.
Man. Yeah. We've got markers on it. They're like reverse. Yeah, man. Andrew, we've got time for
one more watch if you'd like to talk about something. Pardon me. Yeah, Alpina had a couple
and a couple new drops in the way of the Heritage carry and the Star Timer Pilot
quartz world timer. These two watches just couldn't be any more different from one another.
Yeah. You've got like a tank. Yeah. Coming in two colors. I think I've seen the Salpina. I don't
know how new. I'm sure I've seen that. And then you've got a super crazy rotating dial world timer
tool watch like Breitling ask tool watch. They're both cool. They're both well sized, well specced.
And unaffordable. Right. The the the the Alpener carry is 1600 bucks. The Star Timer is 1000 on a
bracelet and or 1,095 on a bracelet and 995 on a strap. And Alpina's bracelets are really nice.
Look, this this Alpina. Alpina heritage curry is like under 10. Under 10 millimeters.
30, 32 and a half wide is a 30 32 and a half millimeter tank. So it's going to be very dressy,
very thin. The case looks phenomenal. The crown looks great. It's on like an aged brown leather
strap. That's right. This is a that's a beautiful watch. They did a good job making it seem and
look like you're wearing your grandfather's like family heirloom without doing it. The Star Timer,
I'm less enamored by the Star Timer. I think the Star Timer looks clumsy. I think the the specs on
it are unimpressive for the amount of money they're asking for it. And yeah, I don't hate it. I do
think it's clumsy. The case and the bracelet I'm sure are going to be great. But quartz GMT for
1100 bucks like meh. You can yeah, you don't need that. But it's cool release. I like the way it
looks. I think it looks like a cool tool watch. It's not for me, but it looks like an instrument.
But the Alpiener, you've got a great movement. You've got a great looking watch. All you know,
tip to tail. That white and gray dial is does it for me? Yeah, the font. So there's two dials. There's
a black dial with a very lovely but pretty simple font. But then you've got this silver
kind of champagne dial with an antique white accent. And the font on that thing is terrific.
Really nice font on that concur.
Andrew, that's it. That's all I wanted to talk about. No more watches. Other things. What do you
got? So I needed to do a follow up a couple weeks ago. I talked about my pit boss.
Tabletop wood pellet grill. Sure did. I was really excited about it. It seemed really intuitive.
Got to put together. Everything was great. I had an opportunity to use it. A good amount. And it was
terrific for a tabletop grill. The it takes a little bit at the time to get the temperature. I'm
accustomed to using a he's a master bill gravity fed lump fuel grill at my house. So wood pellets
was new to me. Took a little bit more time to get to temperature than I liked because I'm I can
usually I can get up to 700 degrees in about five to seven minutes with the grill that I use at home,
but it's tabletop grill. So some there. I had a little bit more temperature fluctuation than I
would have liked like plus or minus five degrees from my target temp. But other than that,
it was great. Super easy to refuel. Easy to clean. Very little like just mess because grills often
get really messy. I would pull something off the grill, open up the fire break, crank it up,
burn everything off, go to scrape and it's clean. This this is one of my favorite camping
purchases I've ever made. Everything that came off of it tasted great, great smoke flavor,
easy to clean, really intuitive. Back from my excitement of it, I'm 100% saying if you're kind
of in that zone of maybe you don't have space for a big grill or you want to throw one in your
trailer, this is it's the way to go. It's money. Still not what you'd buy for home use though at
that price. 227 I think so for me for home use, I would say no, just because it's cooking surface
is pretty limited. You can spend twice as much and get three times the cooking space and get
something that's just arguably more appropriate for all the time home use. But if you're in like a
small apartment and have like a little patio and you don't want to Weber charcoal or something like
that, this would this would do the work. Now right. Yeah, I like that. That's a nice status update
because I know when you talked about it the first time it felt like I was just excited about it.
And now I'm like I'm still excited about it. I want to use it. I almost pull it in with a backyard
just to use it. Cool. Yeah. I mean, does it does the size and the form factor present some
conveniences that you don't get on a larger machine? In the way of like yeah for for mobile grilling
purposes. Yeah, I put it on a folding table, plugged it in and put it to run. It's easy enough for
one person lift can get stashed away. But for a primary grill, it's not that wouldn't work.
Fair enough. I've got enough. I've got another thing. It's a show.
I think it's been a while since I've talked about a show at least at least a few weeks.
But watched this one kind of on a whim. There was I think I'd read a mention about an underrated
show from 2023 and had never even heard of it. But it was an Apple TV show called it's called
Silo. Silo, have you heard of Silo on Apple TV? I haven't because I don't have Apple TV. So
when I see something with an Apple TV logo, I just immediately ignore it. Oh gosh. So you're
missing out because I think Apple TV. I've seen trailers for this. It does look very good. We've
we talked a few weeks ago about we talked a few weeks ago about the best FX shows and I said,
yeah, no, I agree. FX has fantastic shows. But Apple TV, I think you've got
obviously Ted Lasso, I think is perhaps one of the hits of the decade so far,
really, really popular show. But then you've got shows like Schmego Dune, which if you haven't,
you should. Foundation. Morning show. Really a lot of and I'm sure I'm missing
really great shows at this point. For all mankind, if you haven't seen it,
Severance, which is one of the most interesting shows I've ever seen. And so I thought, well,
this looks good. And the cast is great. So let me just start from the top. Rebecca Ferguson is
your protagonist. Really excellent. Rashida Jones, Tim Robbins, Ian Glenn, Common, David Ojoleo,
pricing that wrong, Will Patton. And that's not it. There's more more people in here that you're
going to know and be like, yes, please. It takes place in a silo, which is maybe,
maybe not super descriptive, but it's like a like some sort of bomb shelter. All you know is
that these people are locked in this thing. It's a vertically drilled and built, fully functioning
ecosystem. You've got social constructs that have formed over the course of at least 140 years,
but probably more. And you've got a populace that is being limited in its ability to question the
past, because it's going to keep everybody safe when people start questioning too much,
then they get excited and they want to get out. And if they get out, people are going to die. So
you don't know anything as you get started. And as you move, it's the type of show that
entertains you by revealing the context, right? Instead of telling you the things,
it shows you the things by way of the plot as you go. It is at times scary. It is at times funny,
really terrific. So I said, Kim, I've heard I just read something about this. Let's watch it.
We watched the first episode. We watched the second episode. We watched the third episode.
And it was like, Hey, we ought to get some sleep. Bottom line, we grinded this thing in like three
days because it was so freaking good. In fact, we finished it. It's the first time in a long time,
we finished it. And I was like, Oh, I wish we had gone slower because it was so stinking good.
The acting is phenomenal. The storylines are phenomenal. You know, these shows, these really kind of
over, you know, ambitious sci-fi shows, sometimes in the middle, we'll get a little grindy or a little.
There was a couple times where I felt like, but it always landed every trick where in the air,
you were like, it's going to flop. It landed the trick. Really, really excellent. Probably,
I think I talked about station 11 was the last show I've talked about on our podcast.
I don't think this is quite as remarkable as station 11. But besides station 11,
one of my favorite shows that I've seen in quite a few years, and there's going to be more,
unlike station 11, station 11 was one and done. This is clearly, it's already been
bought for future seasons. It's already been picked up for the next season. So,
excellent, terrific. We've done it. Once again, anything else you want to add before we go?
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